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The Shows => Toured 2023. Canceled => Topic started by: GlenS on August 21, 2022, 09:20:59 PM
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When the info comes out about this tour I will finish the boards name and image's
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From Montana PBS.
The Celtic Women 2023 concert tour across the U.S has been canceled. Not to worry, because in 2024, Celtic Women will celebrate the 20th year of their partnership with PBS.
In order for the musicians and filmmakers to prepare for a brand-new program and concert tour, Celtic Women chose to cancel all U.S tours for 2023.
We will, however, be airing Celtic Women: "Postcards from Ireland" during our winter pledge drive that starts on Thursday, 11/23 and runs through Sunday, 12/11.
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From Montana PBS.
The Celtic Women 2023 concert tour across the U.S has been canceled. Not to worry, because in 2024, Celtic Women will celebrate the 20th year of their partnership with PBS.
In order for the musicians and filmmakers to prepare for a brand-new program and concert tour, Celtic Women chose to cancel all U.S tours for 2023.
We will, however, be airing Celtic Women: "Postcards from Ireland" during our winter pledge drive that starts on Thursday, 11/23 and runs through Sunday, 12/11.
Perhaps when they return they will tape a new special quite similar to Emerald (tape on the '24 tour) and then '25 will be the 20th anniversary tour?
They have gone on anniversary tours from the anniversary of the RELEASE of the first album/special/original tour.
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I hope we get some word from Celtic Woman before too long about the status of the group and what to expect moving forward. This upcoming tour being cancelled without any word from The Powers That Be has me a little nervous. I just hope we can continue to experience the magic of Celtic Woman for years to come!
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I hope we get some word from Celtic Woman before too long about the status of the group and what to expect moving forward. This upcoming tour being cancelled without any word from The Powers That Be has me a little nervous. I just hope we can continue to experience the magic of Celtic Woman for years to come!
Yes. When you say the powers that be do you mean management??
Remember how Celtic thunder went on hiatus quietly after the decade tour and I don’t think we knew it until we got a letter from Sharon.
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I hope we get some word from Celtic Woman before too long about the status of the group and what to expect moving forward. This upcoming tour being cancelled without any word from The Powers That Be has me a little nervous. I just hope we can continue to experience the magic of Celtic Woman for years to come!
Yes. When you say the powers that be do you mean management??
Remember how Celtic thunder went on hiatus quietly after the decade tour and I don’t think we knew it until we got a letter from Sharon.
That is, indeed, what I'm hoping to see sometime soon. Not really an explanation as to why it was cancelled (though that would be nice), but moreso a reaffirmation that Celtic Woman will continue to provide us the music that we have grown to love so much. With the abrupt cancellation and no info from management, it makes me concerned that the doors may be shuttering and I sincerely hope that is not the case because I love these girls and I really loved the Postcards Tour!
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I hope we get some word from Celtic Woman before too long about the status of the group and what to expect moving forward. This upcoming tour being cancelled without any word from The Powers That Be has me a little nervous. I just hope we can continue to experience the magic of Celtic Woman for years to come!
Yes. When you say the powers that be do you mean management??
Remember how Celtic thunder went on hiatus quietly after the decade tour and I don’t think we knew it until we got a letter from Sharon.
That is, indeed, what I'm hoping to see sometime soon. Not really an explanation as to why it was cancelled (though that would be nice), but moreso a reaffirmation that Celtic Woman will continue to provide us the music that we have grown to love so much. With the abrupt cancellation and no info from management, it makes me concerned that the doors may be shuttering and I sincerely hope that is not the case because I love these girls and I really loved the Postcards Tour!
Yes. I hope it doesn't mean the end, I don't want Postcards from Ireland to be the last tour I ever see (I went six years between my first two shows) and I still haven't seen the christmas tour but have been wanting to for five years: this long wait being able to see the christmas tour is upsetting & has me nervous that I may never (because of how long I have been waiting due to the fact we've been skipped over one christmas too many) get to see the christmas symphony tour.
Wait didn't the PBS stations that said it's cancelled promise that Celtic woman will be back in '24?
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Yes, I've seen it from two PBS stations now that the reason for the 2023 tour being canceled is so they can prepare a 20th anniversary tour for 2024.
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Yes, I've seen it from two PBS stations now that the reason for the 2023 tour being canceled is so they can prepare a 20th anniversary tour for 2024.
Wait. Are they celebrating the anniversary a year early?
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Let's not despair guys. I believe next year the girls should record a new DVD (similar to Emerald) to promote the 2024 tour
Probably in August 2023 or September...
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And next year we might have another christmas tour as well
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I certainly hope so!
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Let's not despair guys. I believe next year the girls should record a new DVD (similar to Emerald) to promote the 2024 tour
Probably in August 2023 or September...
I wonder if we’ll get a new dvd/cd similar to emerald or homecoming AND a best of special similar to 2015 & 2020?
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And next year we might have another christmas tour as well
Please. I’ve been wanting to go for five years.
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I too have some concerns about the future of CW. That's one reason I'm traveling about 800 miles to see the Christmas Show. Will it be the last show? No idea. I hope not, but just in case....
The fact that we have officially heard nothing from CW gives me concern, especially since there were some Spring concert dates leaking out. Are they having trouble booking venues? Sure, booking is an issue, but look what happened this year. While I didn't look at every date, I think they did a pretty good job of keeping the various Cities in some kind of logical order.
I'm not sure I buy the story about it taking a year to "get the band back together again" unless the various members have gone on to other things. They announced Hannah as the new member. What is the contract status of the other girls?
I don't want it to end, but if it does, I have a lot of good memories (and photos!)
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I honestly don't think CW is going to end because of a cancalled tour. Who knows why that is? Anyhow, even if they are not constantly as successful as they usually are, then that's still more than many others who are going strong. Perhaps they will take things slower — so many tours and albums close together aren't necessary for a band. That doesn't mean they'll break up or close down.
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I think it's exactly what the PBS stations have said it is - the tour is canceled because they are taking the year to prep for a 20th anniversary tour in 2024. That doesn't mean CW is shutting down. That means we'll get an epic anniversary tour and probably also a new album and DVD.
As far as CW official being quiet about it - they are always the last to say anything. The vast majority of the time we know about shows and tours from the venues and the PBS stations long before any official announcement gets made. We usually have tickets to several shows before a tour officially gets announced. So it doesn't concern me all that much that nothing official has been said because that's the norm.
Gregg and I are seeing this as an opportunity to focus on solo shows next year. We very much want to see Mairéad C and Éabha and are hoping there will be plenty of opportunities to see them performing!
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I think it's exactly what the PBS stations have said it is - the tour is canceled because they are taking the year to prep for a 20th anniversary tour in 2024. That doesn't mean CW is shutting down. That means we'll get an epic anniversary tour and probably also a new album and DVD.
As far as CW official being quiet about it - they are always the last to say anything. The vast majority of the time we know about shows and tours from the venues and the PBS stations long before any official announcement gets made. We usually have tickets to several shows before a tour officially gets announced. So it doesn't concern me all that much that nothing official has been said because that's the norm.
Gregg and I are seeing this as an opportunity to focus on solo shows next year. We very much want to see Mairéad C and Éabha and are hoping there will be plenty of opportunities to see them performing!
Sometimes dates for the next year start coming out before the current tour is done.
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I honestly don't think CW is going to end because of a cancalled tour. Who knows why that is? Anyhow, even if they are not constantly as successful as they usually are, then that's still more than many others who are going strong. Perhaps they will take things slower — so many tours and albums close together aren't necessary for a band. That doesn't mean they'll break up or close down.
What tends to happen (particularly in the last 10 years) is they often flip flop if an album is “all new material” or a mix of old and new or all old.
Destiny was the first album in 4 years to be entirely new songs since Believe (but Home for Christmas and Emerald were in the intervening years).
Ancient Land was the first album in 3 years to be entirely new songs since Destiny (but Voices of angels and Homecoming were in the years between)
Postcards from Ireland was labeled the first album since Ancient Land (not true — The Magic of Christmas was in between)
Celtic Thunder will be back with a new album for the first time since X so we can all go to those shows — even those guys have gotten slower album wise. X was the first album of all new material in a few years when it was released.
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We'll have to wait and see what happens guys, there's no other way....
We don't know what may have happened for CW Ltd to make this decision. It could be a lack of space to reserve Venues, it could be a lack of money for tour logistics, it could just be that they are wanting to hold back the investment a little for something bigger like the 2024 20th anniversary tour as PBS already said that It is the case.
Let's have confidence that one day everything will be resolved. Celtic Woman is a legacy that won't go away so easily. 🙏🙏
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You know what would make a great special for the 20th anniversary.
Perform the setlist for the aborted 15th anniversary tour.
Susan, Megan, Hannah, Muirgen, Tara could be the lineup
Act 1
Homecoming Lament/Mo Ghile Mear (Homecoming version).
Follow Me
Isle of Hope, Isle of Tears (Hannah solo)
Dulaman (Muirgen solo)
I See Fire (Megan solo)
Across The World (Tara solo)
Isle Of Innisfree (Muirgen & Tara duet with Tara on harp)
Amazing Grace
Over The Rainbow (Muirgen & Megan duet)
Three's Company (dancers & drums)
The Kesh Inn (Tara & band)
Teir Abhaile Riu (Voices of Angels version)
Act 2:
Orinoco Flow (Ancient Land version)
Sometimes A Prayer Will Do (Susan solo).
Nella Fantasia (Hannah solo)
The Voice (Megan solo)
Skyrim (Tara solo)
May It Be -- change from group to Susan solo (similar to how it was when Lisa K sang it in the very first show)
Sive
Danny Boy
The Enchanted Way (Tara & dancers)
You Raise Me Up
The Parting Glass
Piper Finale (Credit roll as the girls run back out on stage and bow).
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Yes Yes I would love ;D!! And it would be even better if it was filmed in a place like Ashford Castle or Luttrellstown Castle. It's MUCH better if I'm there in person🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
However I don't know if they would use this setlist as it's mostly Gavin's music, they usually don't use songs from past directors much 🤔. Unless the new music director makes new arrangements for Orinoco Flow, Nella Fantasia, The Voice, Isle of Hope, Isle of Tears, instead of Teir Abhaile Riu we could have a new version of Níl Sé'n Lá (better than VoA please🙏). We could have something like Caledonia too, Megan said she loves this song and really wants to sing it one day...let's see
:D
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We don't know why they aren't touring in spring 2023 (although lack of venue availability in an order that is practical for touring is most plausible). I think there will be a DVD / album recording next year and that they plan to tour in the spring of 2024. But the story that they're "taking the year off to prepare for a big tour in 2024" sounds like rubbish: they don't need to take a tour off to prepare or to save money. The people who would be planning a 2024 show aren't on the tour and the tours make them money (if they didn't expect to make money on a tour, they wouldn't be planning a 2024 tour).
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We're entering into the territory of wild speculation here, but from some off-thread discussion, the only explanation I can think of why they would need to cancel partially booked tour to "prepare for a 2024 tour" (if that's indeed the reason) is that they suddenly lost the rights to use arrangements / songs they were planning to run in the 2023 tour.
For example, if they suddenly could no longer use Gavin's arrangements (similar to what happened when David Downes left), they might not have enough time to scramble enough together new material for a 2023 tour. It seems odd that they could have used some of Gavin's arrangements on Celebration and the Postcards tour though.
Either that or O'Toole has gone over so badly (between the Postcards album and the Christmas Cards EP) that they've decided to sack him and need time to find a new musical director.
I don't know, can anyone else think of a valid explanation why they would actually need to sacrifice a year of touring revenue (after not touring for 2 years prior) and an extra year to prepare for a tour rather than just running a cleverly branded highlights tour?
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I'm not the biggest fan of the current music director. At first I associated my feelings of not liking the new music as much with how much I love and miss Mairéad C and Éabha. That's definitely still a factor, but there's more to it then that. It's also the feeling of the music from the current director. His music is fine, but it feels heavy and somber, which is not what Celtic Woman used to be or should be. Gavin Murphy's music fills my heart with joy and constantly makes me think my goodness this is the most epic phenomenal music in existence. That is the music I love so very much. So my hope is that maybe they're looking for a new music director and then will put together a new album, dvd, and tour. Or hey, can they bring back Gavin Murphy please!?
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Ok everyone lets put this to rest this is the email I got today from CW LTD and this is all they are saying so lets all stop going off the deep end in speculation's ok. I have heard it several times they are doing this to prep for the 20 year anniversary special and thats really all they need to say but here is what I got from CW office
Hi Glen
Thank you for your email and greetings from Ireland.
In reply to your query, Celtic Woman will not be touring in 2023, but we look forward to seeing our fans again on our 2024 tour.
Kind Regards
Celtic Woman Team
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We're entering into the territory of wild speculation here, but from some off-thread discussion, the only explanation I can think of why they would need to cancel partially booked tour to "prepare for a 2024 tour" (if that's indeed the reason) is that they suddenly lost the rights to use arrangements / songs they were planning to run in the 2023 tour.
For example, if they suddenly could no longer use Gavin's arrangements (similar to what happened when David Downes left), they might not have enough time to scramble enough together new material for a 2023 tour. It seems odd that they could have used some of Gavin's arrangements on Celebration and the Postcards tour though.
Either that or O'Toole has gone over so badly (between the Postcards album and the Christmas Cards EP) that they've decided to sack him and need time to find a new musical director.
I don't know, can anyone else think of a valid explanation why they would actually need to sacrifice a year of touring revenue (after not touring for 2 years prior) and an extra year to prepare for a tour rather than just running a cleverly branded highlights tour?
Personally I think it's hard for The CW Ltd to lose the rights to Gavin's songs because I think they learned from David's lesson. I believe that since David sued the CW in 2016 they have written into Gavin's contract that all music he composed for the group is free to use even if he is no longer a member. But that's what I THINK, nothing concrete...
But if the CW really loses Gavin's songs it will be a tragedy in my opinion, they are excellent after all.
O'Toole arrived in 2020 for the celebration tour, how long will he stay? I don't know. It would be pretty crazy if he left so soon, but I don't doubt anything else. I think it's hard but let's see... I believe that O'Toole just needs time to learn the CW way and keep improving, he did an interview earlier this year talking about how hard it is to be a Music Director, so let's take a break, after all it's not an easy task to make better music that David's and Gavin's ;D ;D
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We're entering into the territory of wild speculation here, but from some off-thread discussion, the only explanation I can think of why they would need to cancel partially booked tour to "prepare for a 2024 tour" (if that's indeed the reason) is that they suddenly lost the rights to use arrangements / songs they were planning to run in the 2023 tour.
For example, if they suddenly could no longer use Gavin's arrangements (similar to what happened when David Downes left), they might not have enough time to scramble enough together new material for a 2023 tour. It seems odd that they could have used some of Gavin's arrangements on Celebration and the Postcards tour though.
Either that or O'Toole has gone over so badly (between the Postcards album and the Christmas Cards EP) that they've decided to sack him and need time to find a new musical director.
I don't know, can anyone else think of a valid explanation why they would actually need to sacrifice a year of touring revenue (after not touring for 2 years prior) and an extra year to prepare for a tour rather than just running a cleverly branded highlights tour?
Personally I think it's hard for The CW Ltd to lose the rights to Gavin's songs because I think they learned from David's lesson. I believe that since David sued the CW in 2016 they have written into Gavin's contract that all music he composed for the group is free to use even if he is no longer a member. But that's what I THINK, nothing concrete...
But if the CW really loses Gavin's songs it will be a tragedy in my opinion, they are excellent after all.
O'Toole arrived in 2020 for the celebration tour, how long will he stay? I don't know. It would be pretty crazy if he left so soon, but I don't doubt anything else. I think it's hard but let's see... I believe that O'Toole just needs time to learn the CW way and keep improving, he did an interview earlier this year talking about how hard it is to be a Music Director, so let's take a break, after all it's not an easy task to make better music that David's and Gavin's ;D ;D
They were able to resolve things with David though right? During the 2019 Christmas tour, it sounded like they brought back some of his arrangements, unless I'm wrong and they were just similar.
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So I was torn at the beginning of this board days ago when it was posted about CW not touring.
After some time to reflect and think, I believe it's possible for all the reasons presented in this board, (losing music rights, changing music directors, spending time to prepare for 20th, etc.)
But think about this. If they are taking a year off, this gives them plenty of time to produce and bring us fans a huge 20th anniversary concert. It takes a lot of planning to scout out venues, prepare songs, and work on production for a PBS special. I can see them spending this spring practicing, learning songs, and then filming in the fall like they are known for.
After having time to reflect and all of this coming to mind, I started to get excited! The 15th Celebration tour was my last tour going to see. That was after missing the Ancient Land tour. I think the 20th is a great time for me to jump back on the tour wagon and start seeing them live again.
Besides, who knows. Maybe taking the year to plan helps previous artist prepare their own schedules to come and perform for the 20th PBS special and/or tour. Just imagine Meav, Alex, Susan, and Lynn joining in like they did for the 10th anniversary tour. Hey, Lisa Lamb may come back for short term. What about Ebha and Mairead C or Mairead N. There's infinite opportunities that can be brought to the 20th anniversary tour.
Stay positive, yes the year of suspense will make us all insane, but just keep thinking how amazing the special will be when released.
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Hey Celtic thunder fans (which I’m sure is everyone here)
Celtic thunder was in the studio in October working on their first new album in five years and plan to tour in the new year after losing most of the Ireland tour.
It’s THEIR 15th anniversary in the new year 👀 👀
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The spring tour dates on still on the event calendar. Thought someone might want to delete them
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There have been comments about going thru CW "withdrawal", going some time between shows (and that ignores 2021), adn what was your favorite tour. So, I went back thru my notes. If you talk number of shows, my favorite was Songs from the Heart. Part of that was maybe due to time availability, but probably more due to liking the group as configured. Then again, in 2010 went to 2 shows at Radio City and 2 at Red Rocks. In 2011, two at RCMH but only 1 at Red Rocks.
2007 New Journey 1
2008 New Journey 1
2009 Isle of Hope 9
2010 SFTH 13
2011 SFTH 13
2012 Believe 7
2013 Believe 7
2014 Emerald 7
2015 X 6
2016 Destiny 3
2017 Destiny 3
2018 Homecoming 2
2019 Ancient Land 3
2020 Celebration 3
2022 Postcards 4
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@dbbii
That's pretty impressive!
Did you see different lineups for X / Decade?
You've seen everyone. So who is on your Mt Rushmore of CW (i.e. pick one violinist & 3-4 singers)?
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OMG my dude, look this 😲😲😲😲. I have a little favor to ask you, the next time you go to a CW show, you pick up your cell phone, put it on "record audio" 😅😅 and then when you're done and you have your two files of 50 minutes each, you send them to me, will you? 😅😅😅 So I put on my headphones, close my eyes, and imagine myself at the show too.🥲🥲
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In response to LakersCeltic --
My favorite individual singer is Chloe, followed closely by both Lisa's. The reason behind my choices partially has to do with the way the Meet & Greets were handled in the early tours. They were held after the show. Yes, you only got to meet 2 girls and you didn't know who you were getting. You had the chance to actually talk to them for a minute or two and get an autograph signed. All 3 of them and Mairead N were all very friendly, especially after they saw you a number of times.
Example 1 -- In 2009 I saw the show in Akron, Ohio. It was at the University of Akron's Performing Arts Center. I graduated from UA. I was in the band, and performed on that stage a couple times. The M&G was held in the Green Room. I told Lisa K this, and said I could now tell people I performed on the same stage as CW! She said, no they can say they performed on the same stage as me. Yeah, I'm older. The next year I was at a show in Albuquerque, NM. Lisa was at the M&G. She remembered our discussion!
As far as Chloe, the attached picture says it all.
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OH MY!!!!!!!!!! Hey, @dbbii, your face looks familiar to me; I feel like I've seen it on some CW DVD (to be more exact, Believe DVD), am I right?
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I was in the audience for both tapings of Believe. First night I was about the 6th row. Yes, when they do some audience shots, you can see me. If I remember, and I haven't watched the DVD for a while, I think you see me 3 or 4 times.
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Speaking of Decade lineups did you happen to catch a show
with Lynn doing The Voice? Or another show with Alex doing Dulaman...Alex and Lynn doing Si Do Maheimo I? 🤩
@dbbii
That's pretty impressive!
Did you see different lineups for X / Decade?
You've seen everyone. So who is on your Mt Rushmore of CW (i.e. pick one violinist & 3-4 singers)?
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I was in the audience for both tapings of Believe. First night I was about the 6th row. Yes, when they do some audience shots, you can see me. If I remember, and I haven't watched the DVD for a while, I think you see me 3 or 4 times.
Yes, yes, I knew it!!!!! I actually saw you on the Believe DVD, I was watching it recently, and it reminded me, especially in Green Grow the Rushes.
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OH MY!!!!!!!!!! Hey, @dbbii, your face looks familiar to me; I feel like I've seen it on some CW DVD (to be more exact, Believe DVD), am I right?
Wow! Good eye ÊnioBR!
@dbbii: Love your stories & pic w/ Chloe! Thanks for sharing. And to top it off you are immortalized on one of their DVDs. Of course, I recognize you too after EnioBR pointed that out. I think I recall one of 'your' songs is Téir Abhaile Riú - one of my favorites.
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I am aware I have been very fortunate to be able to see as many shows as I have. Timing is everything! I shut down my construction company in 2009 due to the Great Recession. I had lots of time on my hands. I had spent a lot of years on the road, so I also had lots of frequent flyer miles. In 2009, my daughter was 16. She liked CW as well and was happy to go to shows with me. Granted, as long as they were in New York or Red Rocks. The first live show we went to was in Fort Myers, FL. Our excuse was she was checking our colleges (Florida Gulf Coast). That gave her an excused absence from school. We used the same excuse the following year to go to Columbus, OH, mainly because I got OSU football tickets as well!
We went to New York in 2008 when she was 16. We did some of the usual tourist stuff, like Ellis Island. Then, that night they did Isle of Hope. Remember the line " Annie Moore from Ireland, who was all of 15 years"? She was 15 at the time. Really hit home with her about what immigrants had to go thru (including my grandparents).
In 2012 went to a show in Tampa (we live here). M&G with Chloe and Mairead N. M&G held after the show in the second floor lobby of the PAC. Cookies and coffee by the PBS station. The girls were sitting behind a table. Most of the people had never been to a M&G before, so I and my wife hung back a bit. When we got to the table, Chloe got up, walked around and hugged me. The lady from PBS didn't know what to do or say, especially when Mairead did the same thing! That was right after Mairead got engaged, so I had to ask her about her ring.
In 2009 there were back to back shows in New York. Went to both. Got a T-shirt signed by all 5. You don't want to know what I had to do to get that accomplished!
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@dbbii
Thanks for sharing that. I love to hear BTS stories and MG stories. I'm a newbie on these boards. So I like to hear everyone's "old" stories. I'm digging through all the old threads to find as many as I can.
I love autographs! A job well done! In fact my goal will be to try to get all 17 autographs (is my count right?). I'll make a thread on that as I make more progress.
Back to your original point about "withdrawal", yes I sure hope they release something this year. It feels like forever, and it's only been a month since the Symphony tour.
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I'm hoping with the 20th anniversary tour they would do Act 1 with the original music from the first 10 years, even if they have to do new arrangements. Then do the second 10 years in Act 2.
Open Act 1 with Sky, Dawn, Sun or Awakening. Both have a great opening feel to them. Then end Act 1 with either one of the three Celi song or a close version of the original Mo Ghile Mear.
Act 2 will open with Homeland or Dawning of the Day or maybe Murphey Ballroom. Then end Act 2 with the new Parting Glass.
I think this will tie in the first half and the second half of the full 20 years of Celtic Woman.
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I really liked that you see the new girls singing David's original songs on last year's anniversary tour; I hope they repeat this on the anniversary tour too, My favorites are The Sky The Dawn and The Sun, Spanish Lady, Caledonia, Níl Sé'n Lá, TAR and of course, Mo Ghile Mear! ;D ;D